I hope that you are not sad that I have arguments to present, whereas you have not? On the other hand Egerton Sykes was of the opinion that the Tuatha de Danaan were refugees from Atlantis, an idea he expressed in his 1949 edition of Ignatius Donnelly’s Atlantis. So let me see if I get this straight - //and Ulrich Hofmann.<, Cyprian Broodbank in The Making of the Middle Sea [1127] argues that the Sea People “never actually existed as a single people. Alternative History This is too late … Written by Frederik Woudhuizen and Eberhard Zangger, the authors offer a translation of a 3200-year-old inscription That may refer to the Sea Peoples and linking them with western Turkey. January 2019 May 2017 The First Effort to Identify Atlantis with the Sea Peoples. The idea that calling something a "fable" means you must believe the story it's based on is true is risible. Julius Caesar? has to be a "world-wide" civilization. – “The plankboats and logboats being built in northern Europe were not the most advanced watercraft of their time. Another Atlantis Rising forum(e)on the subject  is also worth a look as is another illustrated site(f) which includes a map of the  homelands of the Sea People. Is that about it? What a load of producer's bullshit ! To sum up, You: "It's not a mythos but it's a particular sort of mythos in spite of Plato either not saying it's a mythos or saying it's not a mythos, depending on the day of the week." It's great fun the way you ask questions then answer them on behalf of your interlocutor. Meropis is not referring to Plato's Atlantis. At first glance it looks odd, yet with some background knowledge these two different events could be brought into connection. Yes believing in stories IS utter nonsense. No ship wrecks, no pottery, no sign of their armies, habitations or trade goods. Timaios 20d: ὅδε οὖν ἡμῖν λόγον εἰσηγήσατο ἐκ παλαιᾶς ἀκοῆς There is a claim that the Sea Peoples also attacked Mycenaean Greece on two occasions and that Athens survived both(ae). Latest; Featured posts; Most popular; 7 days popular; By review score; Random; Sea people ... Odysseus in Mesoamerica, Ogygia and Atlantis in Greek myth. Historical-critical. Historical-critical. July 2014 Sigh .... sigh .... and sigh ..... the Atlantis dialogues did not take place in reality, this much is certain. Some parts of this theory have been published already, yet not its core. NO. Where are your arguments that Meropis alludes to Atlantis? Paul Schliemann spoke of a papyrus from the Pharaoh Senedi of the 2nd Dynasty, mentioning an expedition sent to the west to seek for survivors of Atlantis. Words will never determine who is right. I said I am currently in the process of publishing. The next step would be to find out which point in time really was meant by the dates given by ancient Greeks. This evidence includes a variety of features that Egyptians used to portray the Sea Peoples such as types of swords, shape of ships, shields and helmets as well as hair, clothing and shaving fashions. *ROTFL*. July 2019 NO. You can read the Meropis story. 11000 years old. Latest . Contrast that with the contention that there was a Mycenaean group within the Sea Peoples. Let me guess you aren't even looking are you? Knights Templar It looks to me that they want their own camera an sound crew. Logically, would you not have to know yourself to tell another that he does not know? He made this suggestion in 1886, in an omnibus article on “. "mythos" is any kind of statement which is not supported by any argument or evidence. November 2019 Historical-critical. YOU take Julius Caesar's writings literally?! They're using Zachary Quinto as their featured talent !! Ufos It's set far enough in the past that, like Atlantis there were no witnesses. You can't say it's an open question and say you think you have the answer at the same time. We spoke last about this a year or so ago at Unexplained Mysteries I believe. Thank you. The confusion surrounding the Sea Peoples is exemplified by the response to a question on the quora.com website(af). He shows us once more that most ancients did not perceive the Atlantis story as an invention. May 2013 - why the hell couldn't the Critias have been lost as well? Several scholars at the end of the 19th centuries clearly expressed this incommensurability of the two stories. The story of Atlantis is a story about a story about a story. It certainly seems like it. September 2015 In fact there is a school of thought that believes that the widespread societal disintegration was more the result of environmental factors rather than the depredations of the Sea Peoples(ag). @Hanslune: Whether the Phaedrus dialogue actually took place? November 2014 (x) And did Plato follow certain rules in "embellishing", or was it just "free" phantasy? The lack of actual evidence is the true death of the idea of Atlantis. Two different things. That's like requiring complete artistic control for a middle school play. Frank Joseph contends that the conflict between the Egyptians and the Sea Peoples was part of the Trojan War[108.11] and has identified the Meshwesh, one of the Sea Peoples, as Atlantean[1535]. You don't know what you are talking about. Like the Myceneans, the Hittites weren’t ready to fall without a fight. You can read more, now, on the Livescience website(z) . February 2010, ​But since I’m on the subject of Atlantis, I thought I’d pick up on something I mentioned briefly the other day. Lemurians, Mermaids, and Sea Peoples If you have traveled with me this far, you know that we are on the Third Root Race of humanity. Providing physical proof of Atlantis is all about providing proof for the existence of the soul and the reincarnation it goes through. In January 2016 he wrote an article(r) that would seem to contradict the idea of Northern European ‘Sea People’ invading Egypt, for the simple reason that sailing boats were not developed in Scandinavia until around the time of the Vikings! David Rohl, a high profile archaeologist, has proposed an Anatolian homeland for most of the Sea Peoples listed by the Egyptians, in his book, The Lords of Avaris[232]. Popular Culture February 2011 Historical-critical. http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/zachary-quinto-history-in-search-of-1202680918/ Then why should anyone believe it is real? yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2009)document.write(" "+yr); He was Oscar nominated as a producer, not a director (Twist of Faith, 2004, Best Documentary)- however, his directing work has also been in the documentary field. French Egyptologist Emmanuel de Rougé coined the very term “Sea Peoples” (or “peoples of the sea”) in 1855 to describe the military force depicted in a relief from the era of Ramesses III. Of course you do. The earliest would have arrived, in my opinion, soon after the great flood of 10,500 BCE. April 2010 Pyramids You people do not understand Plato. Several big questions following from von Christ's hypothesis are: This is what all the authors tell us. The Dorian Invasion. Muck suggested the Atlanteans). Science Religious views. So once again we will 'learn' that Atlantis was real just as Plato wrote except that it was in a different place at a different time inhabited by a different epople with a different civilization. "You may scream and shout..." DON'T BE AN ASS. We may also earn commissions on purchases from other retail websites. June 2010 And to answer your questions, I have not spent hardly any money on seeking out Atlantis, except for a few dollars on Plato's books, and a couple more on one or two books on claims of "Atlantis found". The attack was recorded by the Egyptians on the walls of Medinet Habu and where they depicted some of the invaders with horned helmets. If so, any parents or relatives who could take the child for two to four days while you are out of town? Historical-critical. A different view was expressed by the Egyptologist Robert Anderson who commented “It would seem that, rather than bands of plunderers, the Sea People were probably part of a great migration of displaced people. He has written further on this identification and more on the Luwian Studies website(s). November 2015 Thank you." One unusual suggestion on the same site is that some of the Sea Peoples, although allied with groups from across the Mediterranean, came from Britain and Northern Europe(ao)! It is also why generations of believers just talk about the meaning of the words and stay away from archaeology. November 2013 Materialism. Another site(an) also describes the various ships of the period used by the Egyptians, Greeks and the Sea Peoples. Marxism. As a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, this site may earn from qualifying purchases. We all end up dead and silently ignorant, in the end. "[T]he effort to make Atlantis real dies hard. It sounds to me that this scene from the magnificent 7 puts this Atlantis matter in the correct perspective. Did the “Sea People” also cause problems for the Atlanteans? Historical-critical. I know this is heresy for the classicists, but with all the lost Greek treasures - the other plays of Sophocles, Aeschylus, Aristophanes, and their contemporaries, epic songs contemporary with Homer, etc. Ancient Texts Yes? June 2017 But you misinterpret my intent on why I posted as a reply to you. You are using this term incorrectly when you associated it with mental activities on my part. This is not an academic approach, you are following, this is a kindergarten approach. Departure or disappearance of Atlantis-island vessel and the devastating tsunami that followed forced the people of the Sea to take refuge on the nearest land. Sea people. Although he devoted his career to Greek and Roman literature, he is best remembered for the paragraph below, the first to propose that the story of Atlantis was a highly distorted memory of the Sea Peoples who ravaged the Eastern Mediterranean at the end … @D: I however say the first story is made up and the second story was also made up based on making fun of the first. I have a deep understanding for you that you are confused with the categories of logos and mythos, and the types of mythos, applying here. NO. One such high profile identification in the 20th century was by Spyridon Marinatos. October 2016 Historical-critical. Meropis has a big black whole in its middle: There is Europe, and there is the opposite continent (of which there is talk also in the Phaedon), but there is no Atlantis in the Atlantic. Why don't you publish YOUR version of Plato's work - rewrite T & C so it is literal. Historical-critical. Yes, I take Julius Caesar's writings literally. The coining of the term in 1855 is now generally attributed to French Egyptologist, Emmanuel de Rougé who used the term peuples de la mer (literally “peoples of the sea”) in a description of reliefs at Medinet Habu. October 2013 for updates on my latest projects, blog posts, and activities. The Sea Peoples were a confederacy of naval raiders who harried the coastal towns and cities of the Mediterranean region between c. 1276-1178 BCE, concentrating their efforts especially on Egypt. etc. Ancient Astronauts Historical-critical. King Arthur Simply because Plato discusses many things in his invented dialogues which are meant to be real and true. @Americanegro: Sea peoples were 1200 BC give or take 50 years either side and their origins are all guesswork. It is a short text, since it is only a surviving summary, the original is lost. Therefore, I can say that I have spent, as you ask, not hundreds of thousands, but only 8,000 or 9,000 words, depending if I count as the crow flies, or a dove. April 2017 December 2015 You are not worth to discuss ancient texts, if you continue to have your emotions drive you, instead of your brain. It is more expensive for them to book a special crew just to film one person in Albany than to fly a talking head to a location where they video interview several people in a single day. November 2010 Atlantis is a great story? Next publication will cover the topic of Platonic myths. In a 2006 paper(ac), The Ethnicity of the Sea Peoples, Woudhuizen included some groups from the Central Mediterranean as part of the Sea Peoples. I rather suspect that this "auteur" producer/director was afraid he/she could neither control what you said nor edit your commentary to suit his premise. I mean, Atlantis just has to be presented in roses and gold, anything less and people might not believe it! Can't you listen? Jason, I think you made a mistake. Strange. @Hanslune: On the other hand I don't believe in Joseph Smith's golden tablets but many deluded Mormons do. But Critias' Atlantis narration in the Critias dialogue is a special type of mythos, namely an "eikos mythos", based on the logos. Contrary to Americanegro's statement above, I indeed HAVE presented a counter-translation for mythos. And your confusion is easily explained. Of course, Tertullian's opinion does count. Another unexpected twist is the claim, by the discoverer of the Phaistos Disk, Luigi Pernier, that the characters used on the Disk are similar to the representations of the Sea Peoples at Medinet Habu. The migration was most likely the result of widespread crop failures and famine.”(d). No arguments? However with no Atlantis the fringe magical thinking people would have just fixated on something else. I repeat myself: Horror Well, you can't present the true historical facts without complete artistic freedom. So stop jabbering and go find it. Agreed? Ancient History It is funny how Atlantis skeptics desperately stick to their claim, although one argument after the other slips through their fingers. Since every fringe show for the last 40 years is a rehash of the original In Search Of it will be interesting to see them simply repeat all the same stories that were in the original series just like Ancient Aliens does. : I don't know your family situation--are you a single dad? The phrase was later popularised by another French Egyptologist, Gaston Maspero (1846-1916). The attack ended in their defeat and captivity with many being incorporated into the Egyptian military to defend their northern border with the Hittites. December 2014 We don't assume Hogwarts or Narnia are real for the same reason. The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair, Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar, Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx", The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf. April 2011 (x) Is the historical core big enough to call Atlantis real? The Sea Peoples are the same as the Atlanteans. Historical-critical. Yes world-wide or shall we say world-wide as restricted by the narrow view point of Plato? It's just not worth going all the way to Europe to shoot 3 minutes of video! They were repelled by the Egyptians and then moved on to the Levant where they later became known as the Philistines. February 2016 November 2020 the Sea People who came from the western Mediterranean rather than a sunken continent, But I see that everyone here is blind. October 2014 He does not spend any thought on the (wrong) idea that the two stories could be interrelated. In other words you believe something and it must be true. Potentially. Racism Eric Cline has noted that the only member of the Sea Peoples alliance whose identity has been ‘firmly established’ is that of the Peleset[1005] who are accepted as Philistines. He was convinced that Murias one of the legendary cities of the de Danann had been located in Bimini. August 2017 Jesus Effing Christ, Katzenjammer, I'm NOT saying it's a myth (in the modern sense). Historical-critical. I begin to understand that these are really the Sea Peoples, and where they come from. I had forgotten about the animals but I simply execute "the Francke Maneuver" and say "he was talking about something else, possibly something someone told him and especially if someone told him and double especially if people of his time believed it it must be true." April 2014 "He glorified his victories in Gaul, and omitted what was not so pleasant." My search for Atlantis has all been with the mind's eye, which is very cheap versus the financial requirements in seeking Atlantis with physical eyes and for the palpable proof of a materialistic nature. November 2018 Sea people On Fomorians, Pomeranians and Sea people. The one before that shot in Washington, which is close enough that I flew there and back the same day. OStrange I would be interesting to see how much of it still remains. Historical-critical. If you are meaning mental excitement caused by reflecting on Atlantis, than it cannot be masturbation, since Plato is providing the stimulus and foreplay. And don't ask me to explain it in detail, if you did already not grasp the analogy of the TMS clip I posted. July 2012 You failed to establish the pervasion. "Story" suffices. Hi Jason - That's typically how these shows are videotaped. Sorry, your conclusions are logical fallacies. What is all the confusion about, the civilization we call Atlantis was destroyed when Santorini blew up and ended what we call the Minoan, an Aegean bronze age civilization. Habsburgs Incidentally, several ancient Mediterranean civilizations, … Historical-critical. October 2019 Zach Zorich is a freelance journalist and contributing editor at Archaeology magazine. Popular Culture Historical-critical. I made my ancient Greek exam with top mark, and followed so many traces of this word in ancient Greek literature, that I can tell you with good conscience: No, not true. You may scream and shout about it as long as you like it, it does not change anything: To conclude from the invention of the dialogues on the invention of Atlantis is no valid conclusion. You've been working on this for what 20 years and you STILL don't know where it is? The story of Atlantis was a mythical retelling of the Black Sea Flood. Historical-critical. Okay, story, tale, narrative, report. Why don't all these Atlantis enthusiasts instead concentrate on looking for Plato's famous cave, where so many poor people have been trapped staring at shadows for thousands of years? It is a parody of Plato's dialogues written before the Atlantis dialogues, especially Phaedon and Republic. Federico Bardanzellu  offers a number of papers on his Museo dei Dolmen website(n) in which he suggests specific homelands for many of the members of the alliance(o). What I mean is that it would be the greatest if we knew if it was true or not, and just where and when our Atlantis lies. When it comes to being for or against something, for which absolute proof cannot be had, it is asinine to argue vehemently, which then escalates to insulting one another. Plus, if the don't like what you're saying, they can always pill the plug and claim loss of internet connection. It is a story, true or false, allegedly handed down over time. The cave is presented as an analogy, so basically as an invention. Enter your email below to subscribe to my newsletter. January 2011 You should have your own show anyway. March 2011 You run off. Either those souls of old have not yet reincarnated at the proper time, or, like fools like us, have drunk too much water of forgetfulness, and cannot remember the world of ideas, the spiritual world, the world that only the mind's eye can see. Historical-critical. But I can tell you: Yes, I have been searching. Oh, you are so totally a True Believer, aren't you... @V: As I said at first, both sides are wrong because both sides claims to know. August 2019 February 2013 To your surprise (I suppose) I admit that you have a point. If Zangger is correct in identifying Troy as Atlantis[0483], he is also implying that a part (Troy) is greater than the whole (Libya and Asia combined), Troy being part of Asia! June 2012 June 2020 May 2020 March 2018 95-105. Let me guess: it's not about Atlantis because the word "Atlantis" doesn't appear in it. such as Tertullian, who calls Meropis a fable, and at the same time he takes Atlantis as real story. Money I have not, but time yes. And I mean that there are idiots on both sides of the argument on whether Plato's Atlantis is a true story or not. January 2020 Wow! NO. Something is clearly wrong with his theory. September 2013 The inscriptions state that the Sea-People came from islands in the open sea when their land was destroyed. 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